-
Recent Entries
-
Links
- a girl and a boy
- A Little Pregnant
- Amalah
- Ampersand
- better now
- Breedorf
- Dad Gone Mad
- Daddy Types
- defective yeti
- Dooce
- Draw the Girl
- ejshea.com
- Finslippy
- fishsuit
- Flotsam
- From the Back Nine
- Grace Undressed
- hello insomnia
- Internet Grapes
- Jonniker
- Julia
- metalia
- Mom-101
- My Beloved Monster & Me
- Not Martha
- Pop Culture Junkmail
- So the Fish Said
- Splendid Sustenance
- Sprinting to Hell
- Suburban Bliss
- sweet | salty
- Swistle
- The Bloggess
- Weetabix
-
Search
Daily piffle:
Donate (read Ezra's story)
Photos
| www.flickr.com |
RSS feed
Nov
19
Last night I was putting Riley to bed and asked what kind of story we should talk about, and he nonchalantly informed me that he’d really rather I go ahead and leave, since he was waiting for Daddy to do storytime.
“Well,” I said, “I know Daddy normally puts you to bed, but tonight he’s putting Dylan to bed. Why don’t I tell you a story about—”
He held up a small hand. “No,” he told me. “I don’t want any stories from you.” And he turned his back to me, at which point I kissed him goodnight and sadly shuffled from the room, because I didn’t know else what to do.
It’s true we’ve fallen into a routine of me reading books and rocking with Dylan in his bedroom while JB talks with Riley next door. That’s what Riley is used to, and he loves how JB tells stories about Riley and his amazing magical skateboard which is painted with flames (”And BOLCANOES!”). I get it, but man. Ouch.
I sat out in the living room fuming about the sacrifices we make for our kids, and the ingratitude. I started thinking of the actual physical changes I have endured in order to bear these children, and I created a little mental list of Permanent Post-Childbirth Collateral Damage:
• A belly that when seated resembles a Shar-Pei formed entirely out of crepe paper.
• A pelvic floor that constantly proves how the line between “coughing” and “peeing a little squirt of pee right in my own pants” has all but disappeared.
• Thicker and more luxurious hair, especially the ones sprouting from my chin.
• Skin tags: the gift that keeps on giving!
• Afrin-addicted sinuses that haven’t taken a completely congestion-free breath since before I peed on that stick in 2005.
• An indistinguishable expanse of flesh where my ass meets the back of my thigh.
• A rear end that is often unable able to poop anything larger than a Raisinette without enjoying a full 48 hours’ worth of enflamed anal tissue afterwards.
• Breasts that require the sort of penis-wilting undergarment that comes with four hooks and enough wire to trigger a full TSA patdown. Please note these undergarments are available in Beige, White, or Wad of Chewing Gum Placed Under a Desk.
Frankly, I think my son should be presenting me with a goddamn Purple Heart, not Heisman-ing my tender little feelings at bedtime. But kids are selfish, brutally honest, and care not one bit about the ravaged body parts it took to produce them.
And we still love their obnoxious, ungrateful asses. Even when they flat-out tell us we’re not good enough.
Now, if only I could arrange for Daddy—who apparently shits rainbows and unicorns when it comes to bedtime—to enjoy a sparkled-induced hemorrhoid or two, life would feel a lot more fair.
Comments
85 Responses to “War wounds”
Leave a Reply
oh thank GOD I’m not the only with that list! This post made me laugh until I cried – but also, sorta made me sad – because I’m sure my little man will do the same thing one day. There are already times where he pushes me away for daddy, and I mimic that knife going into my heart and twisting. Le SIGH…I guess it’s all just part of parenting, right? RIGHT?
I have the same list and, oh my god, what is the deal with the motherf*cking skin tags? They drive me crazy.
Man, that was a giant OUCH. This brought back memories though. I remember saying something similarly atrocious to one of my parents (see, I blocked it out) and they looked at me and said, “Do you hear yourself?” For some reason, it was like a slap in the face I gave myself. Sometimes you think you can say things to your parents, and then you realize one day, nope, no, you can’t. I was young enough to cry but old enough to have learned a lesson…not that it stopped me altogether. I just saved it all up for my teenage years~!
Thank you for the list–instant birth control!
It is completely not fair. NOT FAIR.
if only – IF ONLY – the new and wonderful ailments that women find after childbirth could be magically transferred to new fathers too. Now THAT would be justice.
I have to admit, rather than sit down and think about that list, I’d have sat down and bawled my eyes out.
Then I’d have gone back in to the child, tried to reason with him, and emotionally crippled him simply by existing in that state.
We do deserve a Purple Heart!
This list sure makes a 24-year-old woman like myself take pause about The Many Babies She Wants To Have One Day.
Maaaaybe I should just adopt.
“Maaaaybe I should just adopt.”
She spared you from the list of things that happen to you AFTER they’re born. “Caveat Adoptor”
Damn, reading this made me laugh and these days laughing can be known to trigger the same response as coughing. Damn ungrateful kids. Luckily they are adorable.
Skin tags and chin hairs? I know this is not happy news, but that’s a middle-age thing, not a pregnancy thing. I sport both, as well as a sort of Fu Manchu-style ’stache, despite my nulligravidarity.
It gets worse. My favorite quote of all time from my daughter, as she walked into the room while I was practicing yoga…
“Mom, your butt looks like a horse’s butt.”
She was four.
And THIS is why I say a group of children is an “ungrateful” of children (a la a murder of crows).
I just recently discovered your blog and I LOVE IT! I have a 2 year old little girl named Riley and I love with so much but oh somedays I wonder what the hell we were thinking. This blog helps me to feel so much more sane! And oh if my husband could get some hemorroid I would feel so much better about life and maybe even consider a second!!!
Yet another (hilarious) “double-up on my birth control pill” inducing post!
I could have written this myself today.
My nineteen month old won’t let me hold her, kiss her, pat her had. She doesn’t want me to get her out of her crib, or read her a story, or play with her. She prefers Daddy do everything. ALL. THE. TIME.
I have altered my work schedule to stay with her all the time – I work one night, graveyard to devote my ENTIRE LIFE to raising her, and she rejects me constantly.
You have no idea how much of a relief it is to hear that this happens to other people and that I am not just a monster FAILURE of a parent.
Part of it, ashamed as I am to admit it, makes me kinda angry at her – because we should be enjoying this time, you know? And it is hard to enjoy being hurt all the time.
lmao at that list…. I would have added thinning hair though to mine, because no matter how much they say that your hair comes back after the great “fall out” so far I say “they” are liars!
I spent hours and hours and HOURS during my pregancy (and since) FUMING over the inequality of the whole process. Why did HE get the same baby *I* got, except without the souvenirs? 4 years later, and I’m still kinda bitter, actually.
This is the greatest thing I’ve read all day.
But Linda, you don’t LOOK like you have the issues on this list. I mean, you look f**kin’ AWESOME…on the other hand, when I get dressed in the morning: The Sharpei, IT IS OBVIOUS.
Love the list – I totally have that sharpei crepe paper belly. Hate.
Riley’s response sounds suspiciously like jealousy and hurt rather than across the board preference tho. Maybe try designating two nights a week as “mommy story nights” keep it consistent and i bet he ends up loving your story time every bit ass much.
as much. Ha! Sorry, damn phone.
Oh my God! You are out of control girl! That is just WAY too funny in it’s truth.
They are little assholes, aren’t they? whining little creatures -cute as a button, none the less.
Experiencing this feeling of injustice RIGHT NOW as I listen to The Boy laugh uproariously at his daddy, who got home all of 10 minutes ago after I got the full brunt of the predinner crankfest.
I once read in a column in Cookie magazine that we all have to resign to the fact that sometimes kids love mommy more and sometimes they love daddy more. Right now, ours loves me more, but I know my day of reckoning is coming. And yes, what fiery demon of hell came up with skin tags?
Don’t be so hard on yourself; you look fabulous! I, on the other hand, have thighs that look like the surface of the moon. Tres Sexy!
Don’t worry, the shar pei belly goes when you do hit middle age and suddenly develop a stomach that looks like a seven month pregnancy, only not as full of promise and a lot squishier.
Meanwhile, ALL the hot men are in their 40s and hotter than ever.
Somehow, knowing we are the superior sex is not enough consolation.
Egads, these are the entries from you that make me squirm because my sister and I have always shown a strong preference for my dad (though I maintain that I absolutely love them equally). It’s just that my dad enjoys stuff that we enjoy (books, music, making jokes about current events) and my mom enjoys stuff like 1) religion 2) Indian soap operas and 3) Lectures about orderliness. Again, I don’t love her any less, it’s just that any conversation dissolves into a lecture or a fervent prosletyzation effort (you don’t need to convert a believer Mother, I think you’re doing it wrong actually)…and I’d rather just talk to my dad on the phone.
But you know what…you’re right. My mom is the one who made sure we weren’t dressed like hobos and our house ran properly and unlike the 3 of us, she actually has a stable temperament. She deserves better. Even if I will have to listen to a lecture about Krishna and hanging up my clothes *as soon as I get home*.
You’ve got to change up the routine. My hubby and I do every other night with each kid. One takes the 3yo and one takes the 6yo and then we switch the next night. The first couple nights will suck while Riley gets used to the new routine, but it will be worth it when you get to do the fun stories with Riley and still get the snuggle time with Dylan too.
Sundry, hands down you are the best damn writer on the interweb. After 2 kids (one born in 05 and the other in 07), I am also 8 for 8 on your ‘best of post-partum’ list. Another awesome, resonating post. Thank you for being here.
Hilarious. Abso-fucking-lutely hilarious.
This may give you a chuckle – a clip of John Oliver reading Palin’s book to a group of kids. (Riley would make a great judgmental addition to the group).
http://tinyurl.com/yhsc7lm
(P.S. Though it hurts a wee bit, it’s also hilarious how to-the-point kids often are. Your description of Riley holding his hand up like a traffic cop had me in stitches.)
I don’t yet have kids (pregnant with the first), but I really love and appreciate your honesty about parenting. So many people just want to blow sunshine up each other asses rather than admit that sometimes it sucks! I love your writing. You have my favorite blog, hands down!
I have been a long-time reader and really enjoy your writing. This made me laugh out loud. I am a new mom and new to the battle scars… glad I am not the only one! Thanks for the wit and honesty of your site!
1. I’m almost 9 months out and still struggling with the seventh bullet point (related to the, erm, raisenette, um “issue”). Thanks for letting me know there’s no end in sight.
2. We’re still in the place where the baby constantly rejects his father for me, which is mostly, if not entirely, because of the ever-more-drooping milk-sacks I call my breasts. It sucks for my partner and it’s killing me because I want a break. But I know the day will come where I will go to comfort him and he’ll cry as a friend’ son recently did to her, when she went to him in the night–”Oh nooooo! Not YOU.”
wow. Yet again you nailed my life. I often remind the little one that it was MY tummy that was ripped open to give him life….but alas daddy trumps all at the moment. You totally summed up the body thing to:) All the crunches in the world and I’m still working on the c-section pouch from 2005
perfectly right on, couldn’t agree w/your list more. bet your shar pei is the cute runt whereas mine is the fat kid pup with battle scars.
Linda, thank you for this post. So very true. Our 5 year old son can make me feel this way sometimes and tonight I was having a pity party because I feel like our 5 month old daughter is already starting to prefer Daddy! What the hell!? Anyway, you are awesome and I love your blog. The stretch mark laden pouch that is currently my stomach, not so much!
My mom is fond of regaling me with the story of how her hair began to turn gray the instant – the very instant! – I emerged from her nether regions.
Hee. Sad, but so so true!!
Yep. All true and oh so familiar. My own 4-year-old was somewhat anti-Daddy for a while after Daddy returned from a MONTH-LONG business trip a few days ago. You’d think he’d be all over him, but nope. I feel bad for poor Daddy, but I know this too shall pass.
Adding to the list the inability to fully evacuate my bladder without folding myself in half on the toilet and that weird, partially numbish skin around the C-section scar that sometimes gets itchy but I can’t itch it because I CAN’T REALLY FEEL IT.
Can I just tell you that sometimes I really NEED a blog entry like this? Fo’ serious, yo.
I would also add “gray hair.” Never had any until the day I was pregnant and now they seem to have taken over.
And based on your belly picture from your other blog, I do not believe you about your belly! I could illustrate your point quite nicely with my own belly picture though.
This, this is why I love you. You totally get it! I want to send a copy of this to everyone I know – except, you know, I don’t want them thinking about my hemorrhoids. Or my saggy boobs. Although, come to think of it, they probably do think about my saggy boobs, because holy CRAP, I need a new nursing bra. If I were a blogger, I could have a whole blog (you heard me! Blog, not post) about my boobs and their issues. Freaking kids.
I would like to add boobs that look like oranges in tube socks, please.
I know he’s just a little kid, but you should really tell him that saying things like that hurts your feelings. He’s old enough to learn to be more considerate.
A-fucking-men. Thank GOD you put this into words, way better than I ever could. Sam smiled at everyone, including the fucking cleaning lady, before me, even though I nearly DIED for his ungrateful ass. When I did get a smile it was more of a Dick Cheneyesque smirk. And Charlie – god forbid I’m in the same room with him and my mother-in-law. I get the same hand held up to me with a “Go away, now, Mommy. We don’t want you here.” Why? WHY???
I’m not a parent, and I don’t know if this helps but — kids “reject” parents of whose love they feel 100% secure. That “rejection” might take place because (1) he knows you won’t reject him back and (2) he needs to establish his own boundaries.
So, uh, yeah. You’re “rewarded” for being a good parent by being completely taken for granted. Not fair, but maybe some consolation?
I basically own stock in Always because I’m afraid the day I don’t wear a pantiliner is the day I will SneezePee.
It’s gotten better, but 16 months+ after last baby and I’m still having “incidents.” Thankfully, nothing that’s required changes of clothes.
But all I need is an allergy attack on a full bladder and it’s all over.
Wow. I see you are living the dream too. Did I say dream? I meant nightmare. My husband travels frequently and lately my son has been waking in the middle of the damn night to tell me his is “angry daddy is not home!” and wants to know what I am going to do about it. Thanks for the love you little poop.
Ah, the gratitude of children. Bowls you over, doesn’t it?
I didn’t know what a skin tag was until I read this, and then proceeded to google it. This was at 10pm last night.
My entire dream was based on skin tags. I was covered with them.
I still don’t understand why women get them post birth, and where on their bodies?
Don’t forget the day when inevitably the mid-torso skin tags get caught in the elastic of said granny undergarment, causing little needling pains over and over again. This happens to me mostly in meetings with managment at work, so I can’t possibly adjust to make it better. Fun!
My husband lets the children choose the bedtime parent. I can always tell when he asks “Do you want Mama Books or Papa Books tonight?” he is clearly hoping they all choose me (so he can go check his fantasy team while I’m on-duty for another half an hour).
Bites him in the ass when they all choose him, though. Ha.
Oh Linda, thank you for being so honest and making me laugh about things that have previously made me cry. I am right there with you on that list (even to include having to go to PT for pelvic floor problems…), and I am so tired of the other women I know who have babies acting like everything is all good. I KNOW they have some of these problems, too!
Oh Linda! Thank you for sharing the truth about the sharpei tummy after birth. I had no idea when I gave birth (not one single female friend or family member gave me any clue!) I was freaked out. I wish I’d had the internet way back then.
Soo… think back now, to a moment when your own mother or father may have been in the same place with you.
The War (which has presented you with these wounds) goes on – always. Mine are 19 and 17 and yes, still today, it goes on. Slightly different of course buuuut – in the words of Ed Asner “…Raising kids is part joy and part guerrilla warfare”. Think about this, when you hear Riley laugh, doesnt it make you get all squishy and smile? And the hurt from that moment is a little less. ;) gl!
If I could do the sign for thumb’s up I would… I used to be the SHIT to the four point five year old but since I had the baby and he would spend all his time with Daddy during the early months I am now officially second fiddle seemingly forever. OH that he has taken to saying this is the BOY’s side of the table or GIRLS cannot do that. Are you fucking kidding me?!??!?
Seriously…I am laughing out loud right now. Shar-pei belly! Bwah haha! I, for one was convinced I must have a hernia or something because DAMN I have lost all the weight, why in the hell does my stomach STILL look like this? Sitting down is bad…but bending over is WAY worse. My whole stomach just falls down to my knees. Know what my doc said? “Nope..you have great abs…you’ve just got brown fat, it doesn’t really burn off too easy” (cue crickets chirping) BROWN FAT???! I feel so much better now.
And I would add broken hair to your list. I had all this full thick hair and it all fell out and now it breaks all the time, sticking up everywhere!
This, my friend, is an awesome post. Shitty for you, yes, but hilarious non the less. You have taught me to enjoy my non child ravaged parts while they are still in their upright, standing position. And I appreciate that.
Lol, the first part of the post made me a little sad, but the rest of it made me laugh. Children suck sometimes don’t they? I’m with you on the hurt I feel when my 4yo tells me he wants Daddy over me, and the after-baby body. Especially the belly and the peeing. So annoying. My 4yo will walk out of a room to ask Daddy something even though I’m standing there in the same room with him.
OMG you just made me SNORT – Very loudly.
“Thicker and more luxurious hair, especially the ones sprouting from my chin.”
Thanks for the laugh!!
Is it wrong that I’m sort of hoping one day to be rejected? My 19-month-old want me, and only me, ALL. THE. TIME.
We can do stuff together but reading=my lap (even when he’s reading the book). He tried bathing her one night and she acted like we were dipping her in acid. Hot acid.
I was home for the first 5 months and breastfed so maybe that’s it but it is awfully tiring to hear “Nooooo!!!! Mommy do it!!!” over and over. And for her to have an apocalyptic flip whenever I leave the house.
Guess the grass is always greener….
You forgot the smiley-face scar above the pubs, too, and for some of us, that undulating ripple effect it has on our stomachs as a result.
I totally empathize! I was recently in the hospital for a few nights, so Daddy and the little man got some major bonding time. When I came home he wanted nothing to do with me for a couple of days – only Daddy could get him up, dress him, brush his teeth, etc. On the plus side, hubby’s failure to purchase extra pull-ups meant a nearly cold-turkey switch to nothing but underwear at home and at daycare. Success in the potty training! A happy milestone.
Oh, and the stomach thing? I’m right there with you. Thanks for the laughs.
yeah, my kids tore my body up as well, I have so many stretch marks, I could pass as a road map of the entire United States, I have the spare tire around my stomach, the skin with nowhere to go where my ass meets my legs, and we wont even mention the double chin I have now acquired. Then they turn around and prefer daddy over mommy, then that phase passes and they then prefer friends over parents, and then the worst…..when they prefer their friends parents over you. INGRATES!!!
I’ve lost five pregnancies and will probably never have children. I’d trade you that entire list ten times over, if it meant having a child. Even if the only bedtime stories he ever wanted were from his Daddy. You know, just in case some perspective might help. Sort of like the book deadline thing you tweeted about a few days ago.
That said, I still found this entry hilarious and haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. Thanks. :)
Guess what? Kids hate that attitude from their parents. I hated it from my parents– I mean, they chose to have me, right? Then presumably you’ve chosen to deal with all the SHIT that happens to your body, mind, and soul. Kids are glad they’re alive, but they don’t personally owe you ANYTHING– you made the decision, now live with it. So you’re boring. So they love daddy’s stories more. So you have hemorrhoids.
I have hemorrhoids and I’ve not so much as THOUGHT about having children. Life sucks and then you die. But at least you have two lovely little boys with whom you get to spend gobs of time. While earning a pretty good living. Doing something you love.
Pregnancy and the aftermath screws with your body. It’s not the kid’s fault. He didn’t choose it. You did. So cut him some slack.
It wouldn’t work to be mad at yourself, either- be mad at whoever’s dumb enough that an INTELLIGENT being designed women’s bodies. Right, so we’ll make her body shaped just SO, that once she’s had a few offspring, which is the basic POINT of her biologic existence, her innards will begin to fall out. That’s it. That’s the way to make a baby machine.
Epic fail on God’s part. So be mad at him, his unicorn riding highness.
This is totally payback for me bitching on Twitter yesterday about how people shouldn’t bitch about stuff, isn’t it? OKAY UNIVERSE I GET IT.
ha! wow. um. just in case i wasn’t clear enough…i don’t begrudge you your gripes about kids. i’m positive i’d have them, too. was just saying i hope some day to get the chance. was also hoping that some perspective might make it easier for you to bear the misery.
i really didn’t mean to get people in a tizzy and hope my comment didn’t instigate mel’s diatribe in any way.
ok whatever. this is why i usually never comment on things. gonna go shovel some banana bread in my cry hole and try to forget about it.
still think you rock, linda :)
It’s totally cool, Jackie. I hope you do too. I just hope people can usually tell when I’m joking around making light of things. (MEL.)
This made my day. I feel your pain and know about boys just wanting their daddy. My husband was deer hunting lasat weekend and all I hear from my boy how he misses daddy. I’m sitting there thinking I have taken you out for lunch and dinner. Played a video game and wrestled with you but your still moaning about the injustice of dad not being there. I thought you little ass but told him dad would be home before we knew it.
He did make up for it this morning though. As we are doing the frantic shuffle out the door I said everyone ready to go. He goes no and I’m like why. He goes I have not gotten my good bye kiss from you and I can not go to school without one. Melt my heart you little punk ass child
My God I could have MADE that list!!! I thought I was going to pee reading it! Thank you so much again for making me laugh out loud at work and letting me know I’m not the only one!!
OOOOOHHHHH! It just killed me when this first happened. When mine turned to daddy instead of me. This, unfortunately with boys, goes on for years. But now??? He’s mine again – because I’m the better parent to drive with! Mwahahah!
Ah, “shot through the heart/and you’re to blame!” is what went through my head when I read that….
My hubby would just say “About time!” since my son is currently mostly a momma’s boy (but getting much better about it).
As always, you capture it perfectly, Sundry!
Hahha, this post and the comments are hysterical. I haven’t LOL’d this hard at anything on the internet in ages.
And the Shar-pei tummy is soooooo true. I look effin’ hot standing up but when I sit down, it’s all over. Forget that I’m 15 pounds lighter than when I got pregnant, I still look like a lardass. Le sigh. At least I’ll look damn hot at my husband’s Christmas party this year instead of when I looked like Shamu last year.
Once, I took a close-up of one of my souvenir stretch marks on my stomach with my camera on my phone and texted it to my husband. He responded with “Dear God, what is that?!” and I wrote back “The rest of your life!”
This post is fantastic. I agree with an above comment about kids “rejecting” the parent they feel 100% secure with. They also tend to “act out” more for that parent. My daughter can be a DEMON at my house, but is always awesome at her dads. Doesn’t make it ANY easier though! “If you love me the most, ACT LIKE IT! Make rainbows and stuff kid!” Also, Jae’s comment, the last part about the stretch marks? I just peed a little! Also, I didn’t have a vaginal birth, so WHY do I pee when I sneeze/cough/laugh too hard? Fuck.
Seriously, if we (as moms) didn’t make light of some parts of being a mother, life would be unbearable. As our kids grow up and become little people with minds (and attitudes) all their own, we have to keep a sense of humor.
Great post!
Great entry! I have been enjoying your blog.
oops…looks like you got the troops riled again! But I totally get it (hate the tags, the peeing and the roids!) and right now, after having spent the last 2 1/2 weeks running my child all over hell and gone every night and weekend after spending an entire day at the office so he could perform in a musical….I’m getting nothing but shit attitude. Can I just lock myself in my room please? It’s not fair and it drives me batshit crazy, but I get it. And I love your blog so vent away. And Jackie, I hope you find an alternative. I am blessed to have two beautiful boys (even when they’re a royal pain in my patooty) but I experienced several miscarriages in the process. It’s horrible and it messes with your body and your mind.
Daddies all shit rainbows. Don’t you know that already? And they’d don’t have fucked up postpartum asses either.
Stupid daddies.
You better get used to this kind of “abuse”. They are not trying to make you feel bad, at least when they are small. Smile, leave the room and forget it. These are just ways of becoming independent. And boys have a harder time, because they are always with their mothers and seldom with their fathers–unless dad is a stay at home.
Your daughters will do the same in a different way at different ages. How do I know all of this? I had six. They are grown now, and thank god I had a mother who explained all these things to me.
Yes, I asked my son WHY he thought it was OK to tell me I could actually leave and life would go on, unhindered, he told me that his daddy is more than capable of doing everything I do, only better and that really, why WAS I here? I answered that he had hurt my feelings and that was very unkind, he then said ” well, perhaps you should think before you ask questions you won’t like the answers to.” He was 6, you don’t even want to know what he thinks of me now he is 9 and yet, I am still here.
Having said all that, I have 3 adult children who now think I am quite the most splendid of people…it is so worth hanging on until they reach adulthood, it just feels like the childhood part takes forever.
omg! your list was absolutely. laugh-out-loud-and-scare-all-in-earshot. hilarious.
thank you!
http://youtubefacilitate.blogspot.com/2010/03/mckibben-feeling-joyce.html funny top videos fun free.