I really admire you for being able to get through a shitstorm and keep writing for ParentDish. I adore your posts over there, but I mostly avoid the comments because the preachy, condescending, know-it-all attitudes make me want to drown myself in my cat’s litterbox. I couldn’t help but read through the comments on the spanking post, though. I haven’t felt that sorry for humankind in awhile.

I hope you don’t let those people bother you too much. I know I wouldn’t be able to let it roll off my back, but I hope you can. They’re such idiots.

Very much looking forward to your weight loss/exercise blog!

You bitch! I can’t fit in a pair of Joe’s jeans NOW, pre-children. Because apparently Joe doesn’t think I should have an ass. Or the legs of an Olympic soccer player.

I’ll still read anything you write, despite being green with envy, so bring on the new URL. :-)

Oh my fucking GOD – that is ridiculous. How do you even stand that shit? I’ve been out of “blogging” commission for about 3 weeks now and was just checking in to see what you were up to and MAN ALIVE that Parent Dish thing you do is crazy. I mean, if you have to be all fake and write vapid useless posts that don’t invite a calm, rational exchange of opinions – what’s the point? I like your blog – THIS blog – because there is often a lot of weighing in with different opinions without all the mud-slinging and bashing that is seen at PD. I don’t usually even venture over there – who wants to read comments where people are just being downright UGLY? Who needs it? Anyway – looking forward to your weight loss exercise thing. And your little Riley video was too cute – I was shocked for some reason when I watched it to hear your VOICE, which sounded alarmingly like my own! But oh, that Dylan is too cute. Glad you’re doing well. Watch out for those PD ho’s.

I thought there were jerks on both sides of the issue – pro and anti.

I’m not pro-spanking but I find a lot of anti-spanker folks to be quite sanctimonious, rude and judgmental.

I was spanked as a child, I barely remember anything other than it happened. I do remember a lot of the things that were said to me that were MUCH MORE damaging than any spanking.

I do find it ironic that so many here that are against spanking and being judgmental about it don’t seem to mind talking about “kicking the shit” out of someone or having someone fall to their death by having shoe-laces tied together.

With tongue firmly planted in cheek, moderndayhermit.

I don’t know if you’ve read the harridans over there but some of those bitches are overdue for tarring and feathering. Linda can’t write a post without some inane pundit jumping down her throat.

No one here is actually violent, I’m sure. I mean…we can’t even spank kids for God’s sake.

AH BOO! Forget those commentors!! Being happy all the time will make it BOring! more than grocery lists ;)

They really need to just bite the bullet and get a day job already.

Dictionary.com says “Commenter” is a word. I guess TextEdit is just dumb.

Btw, if you want a visual on some of those commenters, the Flame Warrior web site is a goldmine of imagery.

I’d link to it but links don’t work in the comments. If you Google “flame warriors” it’s the first link that shows up. The artist who draws these stereotypical Internet people deserves an award.

Check out Furious Typer and Cyber Sisters. Hilarious.

Ok, I think I’ve blabbed enough in this thread for now.

I wish I was obsessed with fitness. I’m starting a food blog soon. What does that say about me?

Leslie – I’m not too familiar with that website, from what I’ve heard the the tiny bit I’ve seen…I should count myself lucky.

As a side-note I’m generally non-violent but dream of my MIL being hit by a bus. *snort*

Well, I didn’t read the post, but its illegal to spank in New Zealand. Maybe you can send them over here and we can lock em up for ya. I might go read the post now.

Lesley, that sight is FANTASTIC and made me slap my forehead thinking, why the heck didn’t I do that? It is a little strange though because after reading it I realize that Mel actually made a joke… suggesting that she has a sense of humor. (If you think SKL is over the top you’d LOVE some of Mel’s previous comments. Of course there are more than one Mel which gets confusing.)

I’m always amazed by how vicious comment trolls can be. Do some people seriously have nothing better to do with their time than to be an asshole on the Internet?

I’m excited about your new project – not that I need ANY help in that area at all. :) You are going to give us a super easy way to stay thin by not exercising and eating a steady diet of cookies, right?

I read that PD business and I’m glad you mentioned it over here, because I had to resist the urge to come over earlier and post an off-topic comment, just to say, “Hi! You do not suck!” in a SAFE PLACE, for pete’s sake. They are terrifying.

Your commenters here can hold their shit together while discussing and sometimes disagreeing on things like GUN CONTROL. Love it. I don’t really think one should expect anything less from adults, but it does seem to be a rare find on these here internets.

If the judgmental commenters* don’t get you, the sycophantic ones will. I think my eyes glazed over after the third or fourth “please don’t go”/”So-and-so was out of line” comment.

It’s like they travel in packs and can only survive by continually reinforcing each others’ Special Snowflake status.

*(heh, my Firefox doesn’t think it’s a word either. And is that really how you spell judgmental?)

Some of those comments on PD were….painful. They totally blew. I really feel like the heavy hitters over there get off on the attention they bring to themselves. They must be so bored with their days. And sad. Def not happy people.
I was actually surprised that you brought the subject up over there because man, some of those readers are not capable carrying on an intelligent discussion with that type of matter-at-hand (no pun intended.)It’s not like I think you should censor what you discuss over there, but god! Some of them just can’t handle sitting at the adult table, if ya know what I mean.

I haven’t spanked my 2.5 year old yet and one thing that the comments did make me do was to search within and ask myself why didn’t I spank? I’m not against it for anyone else, what they do is what they do. For me, the only thing I could come up with is that I don’t think I could handle seeing his face look at me with surprise and hurt. It would kill me.

We discipline in other ways and so far it works (most of the time!)

Anyhow, with all that being said, I’m so glad that you have this blog to write whatever the fuck you want and that you have great readers and the comments do not make my head explode.

Glad you like them Meagan. Having run into variations of just about all of these Flame Warriors in IRC, I’m hooked.

Two more that fit: Issues (although she’s probably a leftwing version of Skankytrollypants) and Coffee Klatch.

Eventually, if Skanky keeps it up she’ll evolve into Toxic Granny. Heaven help the Intertubes when that happens.

I think you’re on to something with the pine cone theory; perhaps someone would sponsor a study and you could blog about the results? So long as there’s no spanking involved in the study. Ouch.

Linda – thank you. : )

I have no kids nor a pinecone issue, but I do share your health/exercise obsession, so I’m very much looking forward to that!

As someone else pointed out — jerks are jerks, on either side of the issue. I read the post, too, and thought, “Oh, hell! Open the floodgates!” It’s so tempting to jump into the fray, especially that one, as it seemed to get so very personal — with “discussions” like that, sometimes it’s hard to step back from the computer screen and look outside the window and remember there’s a whole world out there, a whole world full of people who *don’t* lurk on message boards waiting to post some sanctimonious, judgmental, aggressively insulting screed. I’m not even a parent and my feelings on the topic are more or less moot, but some of the approaches to the concept of “discussion” over there on that topic made my fingers itch to start swinging myself! At both sides! I’m itching to start swinging NOW! ARRRGGGHHH!

Whew!

Anyway — I am SUPER excited about the health and exercise blog. I was just telling a work friend about how much you rock with getting back into and sticking with exercise, and how you are the motivation I use to keep myself going. If YOU can stick with it with a toddler and a newborn, what the hell am I whining about?! Rock on!

The problem with the ‘crazy’ PD commenters is that they see things in black and white (kind’ve like our dickwad ‘commander in chief’). If you don’t spank, you are lazy and your kids are out of control. If you DO spank (swat, tap, whatever) you are a horrible child abuser and your kids will fear you for the rest of their natural lives. I mean, COME ON. These people have never heard of the term ‘happy medium’ or the phrase ‘shades of gray’ have they?

I looooove your blogs, your quippy honest writing is so engaging and your sense of humor is awesome (dude!). I read everything here and on ParentDish but when I saw the spanking post I read what you had to say and then skipped the comments, I was not in the mood to hear from the pinecone impaled. Hitting another person is wrong…ESPECIALLY when one weighs a fraction of your own weight! ANYWAY, what I was going to say is that I frequent graphic design and foodie blogs too and laugh sometimes because some of that same pincone crew must also have the same kind of passion for logos, mac. vs. pc, and the correct way to brew coffee because believe it or not it seems to raise the same sort of responses!!

The whole spanking shitstorm was unreal. I don’t click over to PD much, ever since the Dog Debacle, which truly blew my mind (I mean, spanking is almost inherently controversial, though a discussion about it shouldn’t get that nasty under any circumstances; but…people telling you it would be better for you to have Dog put to sleep than to give your children more attention than you give her? Yyyyyeahhhhh…).

On the other hand, I find it to be a truly riveting sociological experiment — I am so curious to know the demographics of the PD commenters versus those here, who have been able to hold forth in a respectful and engaging manner on everything from abortion to addiction to gun control. I just wonder if there is a difference, or if it has something to do with the nature of each of the sites, or what?

I stayed up until one in the morning reading those Parent Dish comments, and I was so sad, because it made me realize that this judging-other-parents stuff, it never goes away, does it? I thought that once my kids are old enough and the breast-versus-bottle, work-versus-stay-home, comfort-versus-cry-it-out arguments were a thing of the past, there would be nothing else to fight over. But apparently I am very, very naive. No matter you do these days, someone’s going to label you an idiot parent who has no right to have children. Good to know.

I was also thinking of leaving a comment over there, but some of those people are scary. I don’t think my fragile ego could handle that! :)

Looking forward to your fitness blog. As someone who’s going to deliver in a few weeks & gained a wee bit more than last time, I’m going to need it! How about ways to stretch the space-time continuum during naps so I can exercise, do laundry, wash the dishes & clean the bathrooms?

I don’t know how you do it Linda. Those PD commenters are scary. It stressed me out just to read all the nastiness.
Can’t wait for the fitness/health project. You’ve been my insipration so far (Weight Watchers and Turbo Jam), I can’t wait to see what else you have to say!

When I saw that you brought up the spanking topic at PD, I was cringing already, and you only had 10 comments at the time. I didn’t chime in because I’ve done so on previous posts by other bloggers on the subject and it always turned into a melée. You’re a brave one.

I personally would love to read about your weightloss/dieting/exercising endeavors because I had my daughter a month before you did and while I’m working with a lot more pre-baby weight to lose than you are, I’m always interested in learning more techniques, work outs, and eating suggestions.

Plus, I could use a community to keep me on track for my current plan that I started last year until that second pink line showed up and I suspended it until after the baby was born. Baby = born and my butt = huge, as well as my belly, my arms, my chin(s)… You get my point. I’ll be keeping tuned in for that.

I admit, I got caught up in the name calling of that comments section, but holy cow. I just started typing what made me mad, but then realized I’d get mad again and did NOT want to. I just hope that I never end up as the batshit insane cuckoopants mom who MUST convert EVERYONE to her way of thinking. Ahem.

I love you Linda – you make me laugh and I love that the commenters here are cool and respectful and HAVE SENSES OF HUMOR.

WTF? Last I heard, spanking was horrific child abuse that would cause your children to spend their entire adult lives in therapy and also grow up to be hateful, soulless warmongers who’d want to destroy the planet. I just can’t keep up here.

I mean, I had my daughter a month before you had Dylan, not that I had my daughter a month before you had my daughter.

That’d be awkward. And a miracle, considering the distance between Seattle and St. Louis.

Linda, please tell us WHEN do you have time to go to the gym? I have a 1 year old, and (i’m afraid to admit) a live-in nanny, but i still can’t make myself do this. I wake up around 7am, come home from work at 6-6:30pm, bathe/feed, put baby to sleep by 8pm, and after cleaning up and having dinner w/ my husband, can’t make myself work out in the 1 measely hour of free time that I have. But if you’re able to do it with 2 (1 of them being newborn) – it must be possible!!

Being 20 months post baby #2, I would love info on the tianium bra. Especially since I recently stopped nursing and they seem to have deflated – completely.

If you can’t find the titanium bra, try throwing them over your shoulders or tying behind your neck. Works for me! tee-hee (I don’t see how anyone could survive motherhood without a sense of humor.)

I don’t think it should matter what people comment about. It’s YOUR blog, your choice, and your freedom of speech.

I don’t think you’re commenting on their personal choices. I would just tell them to F off! ;)

Can’t wait for the new blog…it will totally replace my ParentDish reading…I tried to read multiple posters over there…but just couldn’t do it..

Wait you go to classes at a gym…MAN DO I HAVE IT ALL WRONG….I just PAY the gym..I don’t actually go…

oh and “Honked off” is now one of my favorite phrases…along with sanctimonious dick towel….

A health kick blog by Sundry? Um, *HAPPY DANCE*! This is the best day of my LIFE!

I really do love everything you write, whether I agree with your opinions or not. I’ve been a faithful reader of all your “mommy” blogs, even though I’m not a mommy, and I look forward to your new venture. Just want to say thanks, I guess, for being awesome. =)

This news is sort of disappointing to me as you’re the most interesting writer over there since J.D. Griffoen stopped posting.

I had no idea SKL and isisaquaria were real commenters. I thought they were cutting edge avant-garde performance artists set on challenging the ontological limits of webspaces and then presenting the comment threads at an art gallery in NYC while dressing in bodystockings. I’m actually shocked to find out they’re real people and not a senior art thesis at Yale.

Anyway, I’m sorry they’ve upset you. I don’t have kids, hell, I’m not even married…but you make me laugh every day. Best of luck with the new happy posts at Parentdish.

Ooh! Yay! A weight loss gig?! Can’t wait! I’ve lost a bit of weight recently but still can’t figure out how to find my abs. I think having a baby destroyed them and they may never be seen again…woe is me! I’m looking forward to using you as my inspiration to maintain!

“I thought they were cutting edge avant-garde performance artists set on challenging the ontological limits of webspaces and then presenting the comment threads at an art gallery in NYC while dressing in bodystockings.”

OH MY GOD. I think you may have nailed that one Monkey… best analysis ever.

oooh! Looking forward to the fitness-related blog. That is a hobby/ISSUE of mine too, and I look forward to reading your brutally honest take on that stuff!

To set the record straight for anyone here who is not too much of an idiot to read properly:

YOU said in your post YOU don’t believe anyone should hit their kids. YOU also said YOU were violent toward your child and YOU thought you might lose it if you allowed yourself to get physical with him. Then you invited comments. After I reacted to YOUR comment that you don’t believe I should hit my kid, YOU attacked ME by noting that you felt my kids were awfully young to be spanked. Then a few people said spankers spank because they are lazy. After all that, I said spanking parents aren’t necessarily lazy, and that if anyone is lazy, it is parents who don’t “take the next step” (I did NOT say spank) so their kids don’t kick people. You stupidly interpreted this to mean that I think you are lazy for not spanking. Though twice I said that was not my meaning, you kept saying it anyway. Apparently you felt it would get you some sympathy which you did not deserve. Please note that there is no time I ever said that I felt you or anyone else should hit his/her kid. (Re-read the comments if you want to double-check.) I don’t even believe spanking is right for every parent or every kid. I just felt you were wrong to declare that others should not hit their kids, unless your purpose was to start a fight. And you were way, way wrong to go back and do research on my kids so you could more personally slam me on PD.

You are not nice to others on PD. You are worse than most of the commenters, including me. You can dish it out but you can’t take it. You are also dishonest, as shown in your blog entry here. Don’t be fooled by the supportiveness of your fan club here. And don’t let your excessive defensiveness cloud your vision. Or, do, if you choose – why should I care? Stew in your own juices as long as you want.

In recent months, have made a number of supportive comments to you on PD and all I have gotten from you is shit. How dare I disagree with you a couple of times. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

You are about the must unprofessional blogger on PD and I’d wish they would fire you, except that the whole site is going to hell anyway so who cares.

Don’t bother to respond; I won’t be back.

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